NO MORE TAPIC OR DVD'S.

For years many people had taped me, a reason why I held back on many of my actual practice. The old style of training in practice, should never have been taped, so I just show a lots of something and a lots of nothing.

Some of the masters who had known me for quite some years, toke me in the beginning. I acted very "dumb like" and acted as stupidly as I could be, and so were some of the old students.

I remember Lie Gai Edgar van der Groen made a remark once, " Willem watch out for that man, you give him one finger and he will take the whole hand!" So true, and I watched the man's operational skills and his martial arts skills. Truthfully the man of being mentioned was an excellent martial arts exponent in many systems and rightfully so - a great master of many gathered skills.

His only problem was that he could "critisized" so many other teachers and including myself. We have parted for good and will remain as such.

According to this same man, my artforms could not be done the same way, I already knew what kind of man I was dealing with. He would practice another version of my actual form and call it my system. He also supposed to have learn 40 forms out of my system, - totally wrong, the 40 or so forms I really had taught - is only trained and practiced by a handful of hardcore practitioners in my system. Guru Westly Tasker could show this master of many systems any of my forms, THE SAME WAY AND THE SAME WAY IN PRACTICE.

ALL MY FORMS ARE DONE THE SAME WAY, - no one look the same doing the same form together. Because of the physical structure and also no one in any of the katas of this master of many systems.

Again relating to my reasioning for having booted out kings of martial arts and lazy students was my rightful decision, I gladly did. I don't want to be involved with students that have marital problems or drug problems or ego problems are OUT. Unless the circumstances are able to be resolved. As human beings we do make mistakes, but problems are a hinder in training.

Any student being "booted" out can not come back in my group anymore and is considered a perfect stranger! I am not running a hotel or motel chain of facilitated spaces.

INDIVIDUALS NOT IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE LAW, WILL NOT BE HARBORED IN MY GROUP - UNLESS BEING TOTALLY CLEARED BY THE LAW!

The only individual restored to my list of teachers, was guru Curtis Goodwin, from Portland, Oregon. We had some misunderstanding between us and brought things back to a reasonable conclusion.

Most of the individuals who are on my teachers list, remain on my teachers list. They are a grace, blessing and actually a comfort for my family - for being expeditious, motivated,

intelligent and just do their own thing. That is acceptable to me in what I had shared with them.

Many are trained in my technical evaluations and are equally recognized by me as full "flesh" guru and each has students under them. Their students are under them, and I deal only with the Head of systems.

Also a lengthy process of me having to leash out against Steve Douglas Gartin and Chess Clements for wanting to take over my system - through the American kun tao silat - I detest and rebuke and never ever want to have any dealings with them. I gave Chess Clements a certificate in which I acknowledged him to the rank of PENDEKAR IN HIS OWN SYSTEM - for him to teach and earn some money. Steve Douglas Gartin is totally out and rebuked, he needs to use the names of Theo Tjong Oen ( U Un Suraya) and others to his repertoir of teachers.

He had studied only 3 or 4 years in my system and also on a partime bases. My longest practitioner and others who had been with me for a long time, can attest to the situation.

Steve biggest problem he always had, was not taking responsibility for his own actions, causes me to hate him. He shamed my family and was upright a remarkable untrustworthy character to my group, I show him who is the Head of my own system - it is ME!

The far distance learning program does not bring any justice to my system at all, it would be of great hinder and people on the program don't learn anything but keep on guesing what it suppose to look like or feel like. A reason why the American kun tao silat is not acknowledged by me.

Any one ranked by Steve Douglas Gartin can be assured that the ranked individual is not equally as good as the one trained in my art. Any of the members of the American kun tao silat,

can come out and be tested in front of my board of teachers - in all fairness to me and my system.

They are using my forms and most of the entrees used in my art. They are really lazy to train in my system, as a certain gentleman, a certain Gallager in Ford Meyers, in Florida and there are also others - he claimed to be a master in my system and never trained in my art. He bought a lots of tapes. A reason why I am outraged and become very mistrusting to some individuals.

In the short circuit of seminars I still do, here and there, no public taping is allowed - only to serve the purpose for the school who arranged a seminar for me. And no reproductions.

I have shown and shared totally only 5 or 6 forms that people had seen and also on tape.

My longest practitioner and others close to me, were aware of the situation in the world of martial arts when people are concern - my reason for holding back and for sharing per haps only a quart of my actual practice over the years.

This commentary does not relate to my extended circle of family members on my teachers list - they are my outstanding group of people.

There are over 40 kun tao forms in my system, and for some, I gave wallpaper and deliverdly classifying them a sigung - hardly practice any of the forms. They make up my supposed to be system and will not be recorded as the ones on my teachers list. Someday they will be embarassed on a large public gathering when many of my rightful practitioners are attending the same event!

A SPECIAL NOTE IS WITH MY PERMISSION THAT CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS LIKE SAM EDWARDS, HIS MASTERS ON THE MOUNTAIN, DON ETHAN MILLER AND SOME OTHERS ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE OLD TAPES OR NEW TAPES AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. IS TO AID THEM FOR THEIR PRODUCTION COMPANIES WITH MY PERMISSION.

I AM REWARDED BY THEM, IS ALSO FOR MY FINANCIAL SUPPORT.

Speaking out my mind and salam in peace, bapak willem de thouars.

Replies to This Discussion



Permalink Reply by John Comito on May 8, 2010 at 8:49pm: Agreed. We all have resources available. Some of us may have them in different kinds, but they are available. I will share what I can. There are plenty of beautiful places that we can gather and share. I hope that this is on its way.

Permalink Reply by Pentjakker on May 11, 2010 at 12:32pm: I won't have much to say on this, but I won't be spoken of this way.
Of course you got paid. In point of fact, and not even including expenses, you made more money from these than anyone else.
Of course you gave permission. There's 30 years of taping there, and you're performing for the camera much of the time. You had a written contract with Gartin that passed on to your granddaughter and Gartin's kids.
Noone wanted to 'take your style'. Can anyone here say they would brace you? That's highly unlikely.
My/our students are the best prepared of any in your group. My respect for you, Victor and Paul is reflected in them.
I never treated your family with anything but honour, respect and personal affection. I've always held gratitude to you and your brothers for the gratious gift that you gave me.
I don't want to aire dirty laundry in public. I bear you no ill will.
Let's not do this.

Chas Clements

Permalink Reply by Willem de Thouars on May 11, 2010 at 12:59pm: Chas Clements,
Understand one thing, and make sure you understand - you and Gartin had taken advantage of my family,
And for sure the tapes I MADE MYSELF, I MADE MONEY OFF. THE TAPES YOU SOLD AND STEVE DID
I NEVER MADE MONEY OFF. ALL IN YOUR POCKET. WHAT A FREAKEN LIE TO SAY AT LEAST WAS GOING TO STEVE'S AND NOT MY GRANDAUGHTER'S POCKET. WAS NEVER GOTTEN TO MY FAMILY.
YOU CHESS CLEMENTS MR PENTJAKKER HAVE BENFITTED FROM ME, MY FAMILY AND MY NAME.
YOU BETTER DON'T SELL ANYMORE OF MY TAPES AND QUIT USING MY NAME. IT IS NOT DIRTY
LAUNDRY, YOU BOTH ARE, I MEAN YOU AND YOU AND GARTIN - HAD MUNCHED OFF MY NAME.
YOU AND STEVE NOT GOING TO RUN ANYMORE OF MY WEBSIDES. YOU TWO WERE SCUMBACKS,
I FACE YOU TWO ANY TIME. YOUR CONTRACT WAS A STUPID CONTRACT AND WHAT YOU TWO
SCUMBACKS HAVE DONE TO MY FAMILY WITH YOUR COURT THREATS - YOU ARE FULL OF S***.
i HAVE LEARN TO HATE YOU BOTH, MR PENTJAKKER, OUT YOU GO, BAPAK WILLEM DE THOUARS.

Permalink Reply by Willem de Thouars on May 11, 2010 at 1:37pm: Who the hell is pentjakker who made this his business?
It was and always had been Steve Gartin and Chess Clements who benefitted from my name the de
Thouars and their far distance learning program WITHOUIT MY PERMISSION. What they had made money of my tapes and names and in what these two characters had done by threatening my family and friends,
made them the worse enemy of me. I spoke out the truth and it was no dirty laundry, who in the hell is
the pentjakker to approach me with a blame. He don't even know the whole history, never like to be spoken off., in what they had done to me and my family. It is not dirty laundry and besides I don't know who the hell
you are pentjakker? No students will ever munch off me, threaten my family and what a stupid contract
they had me sign. You better correct your self pentjakker if you are one, that understand the adat and hormat - and keep your businees where it belong to your self. Don't let steve or chass fool you, watch out for your wallet. This is me bapak willem de thouars.

Permalink Reply by Pentjakker on May 12, 2010 at 3:42pm: I signed my name- Chas Clements
I haven't spoken to you for five years and you have no reason to have my name in your mouth.
You know I haven't had contact with Gartin for about that long as well.
I refused to do business with you or on your behalf, refused to shake your hand on another lie and left you after close to thirty years.
You, yourself, made me the 'Historian'- do you not think that I've got all that stuff archived?
Just leave me alone, Bill.

Chas Clements

Permalink Reply by Willem de Thouars on May 12, 2010 at 3:52pm: Okay Clements we will do, amen - bill.

Permalink Reply by Pentjakker on May 13, 2010 at 1:41pm: I expect you to make it right, Bill.
We don't have to be friends or even associates, and I'm willing to overlook things said in haste or provocation, but you need to make it right.
Don't punish my students for matters personal between us.
People can judge me by the thousands of pages of stuff I've written and the actions and character of those I've influenced.
I'm very ill. I won't be teaching again. My career stands as it is right now.
I won't be malighned unjustly.

Chas Clements

Permalink Reply by Willem de Thouars on May 13, 2010 at 2:03pm: Chass,
It is time to forgive each other. You are and will remain the historian and pusaka man
of the de Thouars brothers. I have recognized you as such, and you are however a
very important part of my extended family. Steve Gartin however will always be dismissed. You are also a keen and very great hand silat practtioner. I too have made
many mistakes in the past. My concern is your health and Chass anything I can do to help - I am all for it. We need to reach out to each other and burry our hatches.
Sorry that I was in haste, for being distinguishly angry and at times hateful to Steve.
You are my historian and if it is alright with you, restore you to the list of my group
of teachers. Anything I can do for you to help your students, just let me know - will
make special arrangement for them - to put them under my care. Please I am concern about you - just let me know - lets be brothers, life Chass is way to short. I burried
my hatches with all my brothers, always in grace Willem.

Permalink Reply by Pentjakker on May 13, 2010 at 2:29pm: Thank you sir.
You always have my heart.

Chas

Permalink Reply by Pentjakker on May 13, 2010 at 2:40pm: And a further thought;
I have no idea what is going on with you and Gartin. I have had no contact with him since about Nov '05.
My own issues with him are personal and nothing to do with martial art.
It's undeniable that he's made some odd choices, but again- nothing to do with martial art or the Family.
There's no doubt why he's such a martial arts phenom; he needs to be.
His students bear no responsibility for that.
One cannot deny that he presents the greatest archive of the Family that there is. He didn't get it by accident or device.
I can say without fear of contradiction that the sonuvabitch earned his place in Family history
God Bless him whereever he is

Chas

Permalink Reply by Willem de Thouars on May 13, 2010 at 2:40pm: Dear brother,
It sadened me of your health problem with my concern.
Right now you are in need of morale support and also spiritually.
Like to talk to you how I can help you, I mean it with an open heart.
Always a loving brother, uncle Bill

Permalink Reply by Willem de Thouars on May 13, 2010 at 2:45pm: Chass,
Steve was and I will leave it at that, my concern is - you are mostly important.
Please bear in mind - Steve was and is history - I have no need for him to everlasting life - but wish him the very best of endeavors. How can I help you - there is room for discussion.
Please take care - with your students I can make special arrangement to train them further as long as you are there with them. I will be gone for the next two weeks. Please take care, uncle bill