Willem de Thouars Seminar series ~ 12 DVD
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Bapak Willem de Thouars speaking of Pak Steve Gartin
Bapak Willem de Thouars apologizes to Sigung Steve Gartin for lying about him and Chas Clements
Willem always seems to find some hapless martial artist like John Malmo, http://malmomartialarts.com/ or Santiago Dobles https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDT2kzOPKKylfZ7HnvQ5SRg to carry his message of hate, racism, lies, slander and libel to the people inquiring into silat or serak or kuntao. Perhaps these gentlemen have no concern for the horrible image Willem is casting upon them and the arts they are trying to practice. Maybe they have no concern for the truth and prefer to ignore Willem's pathological penchant for spreading lies about the arts of silat and kuntao so that they can be Willem's "representative" until they too fall out of favour with the self-proclaimed "Saint of Serak." If you watch a few of either of these gentlemen's videos and compare them with what you see on www.kuntaosilat.com it will be quite easy to see that there is a vast disparity of expertise in the art of KunTao Silat. I have yet to see a video of anyone that Willem has pronounced as "finished" or guru, outside of Phillip Sailas and my own students who now study with Willem who are competent practitioners of KunTao Silat. Just take a look at Malmo's and Santiago's videos and judge for yourself.
Round Two
Round Three
Round Four
Round Five
Round Six - TKO
The End of the Willem de Thouars Debacle
{KunTao Silat Discussion Board}
Notice Willem throwing the Satanic hand sign
Willem had been threatening to "kick my ass" and I showed up at his seminar at Ron Carlson's School on 25 May 2003 to
have my ass kicked. Willem greeted me warmly, asked me to assist him - then begged me to "come back" into his group.
This picture and the one above were taken that day. No one kicked my ass; everyone was happy to see Chas and I return.
Steve Gartin
Click here for Willem's last letter to Steve
Click here for Willem's Apology
Click here to read the Truth about Willem and Joyce de Thouars
Click Here to Enter the main KunTao Silat website
Click photo for Willem's Book of Lies and Slander
Pak Steve & Willem de Thouars at a private lesson for the Distance Learning Program that he now denies authorizing
Every so often Willem tries to track me down for the pediphile infested organization known as the Denver Joint Domestic Terrorism Task Force. {Search the term "Tim Walsh + Columbine" and you will understand why the Columbine Massacre happened and a little more research will reveal exactly WHO did all the killing there. Gay Clyman and his queer lover Don Estep have been working hand-in-glove with Willem de Thouars for many years to try to keep me from revealing the Lucifarian pedophile ring operating in Denver, Colorado and the connections to the Jon Bennet Ramsey murder and the Columbine Massacre as well as many other heinous crimes. The video Willem made for Gay Clyman and Don Estep can be found here.
Below is another of Willem's attempts to anger me into contacting him so that Gay Clyman and his queer lover, Don Estep, could track down my location and murder me before I could reveal their perverse agenda and henious criminal activity.
Instead of calling Willem, which would have enabled the Lucifarian Butt-stabbers to track my location, I instead communicated with Willem through re-mailers and when the Lucifarian queers discovered that I was not going to reveal anything, Willem suddenly ceased trying to contact me. I set him up to converse with the KunTao Silat People on the KunTao Silat Forum, but Willem never answered the first post and has not tried to contact me again until just recently. Willem is a member of the KTS Forum, so he will be able to respond and to freely post his opinions and position.
"Uncle Bill" a.k.a. Willem de Thouars has joined the American KunTao Silat Forum and Steve asked me to announce that he is open to questions and repartee from the AKTS Family!
So: Welcome Uncle Bill, from all the AKTS Family! The floor is yours ;D
Willem's last email to Steve follows from last to first order: With the concurrency of devastation you was a victim of, (Learned that out a lawbook, as a lawyer's standard version - In the Rights of a Citizen) and circumstances - I can easy see, why you prefer a cave, over a humanistic settlement - with many people in Urban living. As a brother, just concern. Steve, (at my age), I really become a more resourceful thinker by studying History at large. History, taught me a lots more in finding my nature back in spirit. I read Ceasar's commentaries, (almost everyday), in which Ceasar declined his wishes with the Syrians as party going soldiers, in being disorganized and feared the Germans more at Gaule. ( The Rhine river lands). He was dying to get Pompey at his side - to resque them from the Pirates, who were plundering their foods supply and for the sake of Rome. Pompey did, after nearly killing 1.5000.000 villagers and pirates. Hitler was not the only one who killed millions, comparing him with Stalin and Generalism Mao Tze Tung. Stalin killed his own family and another 30 to 40 million, and Mao, around 60 million. The history of mankind generates in a continued battle, that all our troubles, reside in the nature of men. My kun tao teachers family, in Shandong Valley (Fuekchin) were all killed by the communists. You may not belief in me anymore, in what I had to become - more like a source of history in research, and in nature and in penmanship (now the keyboard) - relates most of my written issues more to George S Patton ( my greatst legend) - Napoleon, the Corsican ( a total Field artillery, a genius) and for sure my most loved and beladed Howard Cossel, whose actual name was Cohen ( Cowan). I met Howard Cossel, as a sailor in 1957, in upper Manhatten. Cossel Who had established a successful lawfirm ( was Harvard educated and out Oxford) became bored in dealing with people - went later to Sports Broadcasting. He brought Jacky Robinson,( the base ball player) and also the first black athlete, to one of America's best. And Classius without Howard, was never so greatly advertised. (How your skinny older brother learn to become a prankster by arranging trouble amongst people). Patton loved General Sherman, was a true addictive follower of Sherman's battle plans and thought sometimes to be a combination of Ceasar and Napoleon. I am always grateful for the very best and overseer over all American Generals of the Second WW - the honorable George Catlett Marshall - his Marshall plan in rebuilding the War Thorn nations ( to prevent a Communist take over in Europe) and did many great things. People had all forgotten about him, a total sadness to me. After establishing a Pastor Welters Act in congress, made it possible for many Dutch Indonesians to find a new home in America. There are now well over 100.000.00 of us people residing throughout America. In America, I like to see Americans and not my own race. (Just joking). When we three brothers, and our parents came first to America, in May, and in 1960 - Paul and Victor were constantly arguing and nearly to a fist fight, on the Santa Fee express, a train that brought us to Pasadena, California. Victor as the youngest brother, always had tried to be the boss over all the older brothers. Chess Clements could have never (ever) put the sheer essence of the de Thouars brothers, to a better means of understanding - for us to be, more or less, as the martial comedians. In order to keep Victor happy, have to talk "hate" talks, to tickle his funny. With Paul, a similar idea for accomodations to his feelings. So in order to keep both brothers happy, have to steer troubles between the two - through hate talks (conversations). They are still fighting in who was Mar Djoekie, could never have been Victor's Serak teacher. ( Was always Paul). Paul always had angered him, for me to lie for Victor on the Mar Djoekie conquest for the two enbattled brothers. The real truth is that Mar Djoekie was Victor's marble shooting buddy. I love you Steve, you my brother with more wisdom than any of my brothers. Maurice same thing, thinks of himself, for being 60 - (while him), in being 86 years old. His stories on Serak is verry much like the well known Fish Stories, we all know sowell - a fish gets bigger, each time after a story told. Between them, my brothers and me, and the world, my reason to be a researcher to seek history out - and a confused man at large. Conclussively ending my email to you, in memorizing George Catlett marshall, as known to Winston Churchill ( the greatest Stateman of all times) in what he thought of the American general - as a wise Stateman and a true legend as an ambasador of peace. All so true, George Carlett marshall, 1931 - 1951. He played perhaps the greatest role as a World Ambasador to International Peace. Sorry brother for my long emails, just read Ceasar's commentary and the fascination of studying Ceasar, replied in one of his commentaries by saying it in poetry. { Therein all the famous history Of jason and Medaea was ywritt;..... His goodly conquest of the golden fleece.... The wondered Argo, which is venturous peace First through the Euxine seas bore all the flower of Greece}. Please wishing you a very progressive as well, a glorious spirital day. With all my caring, always your brother Willem.
On 6/2/12, Steve Gartin <sigung@kuntaosilat.com> wrote: A fine evening to you my Friend,
Original Message: ----------------- From: Willem DeThouars willemdethouars@gmail.com Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:01:57 -0600 To: sigung@kuntaosilat.com Subject: Re: Aloha in spirit.
Thank you brother and will communicate more often, in the near or distance future.
Steve: Great, I'll answer as often as I can. Don't be alarmed if it takes a week or more to get an answer though, since I don't go to the village any more than necessary. I've come to cherish my solitude.
Please, I am curious, since when was you released from imprisonment? Glad you are out and indeed, fought many spiritual battles you had to overcome.
Steve: September 2007. One of my friends, a judge I never sued, sent me a message to tell me that they were planning to murder me next time they got me in jail, so I quit playing their game. Stacked decks are not my favourite game anyway.
Funny thing, the silat tv, met many overseas friends - and also old friends, I had not seen since the 1950's - when I left Indonesia. Will be going after Scandinavia, in September of this year also (make) a trip to the Philippines.
Steve: If you'll send me your schedule, I'll let my Distance Learning People know when you will be in their area.
Many who hates me or many how likes me, keep on reading my hate mail, something I learn from Howard Cossel. Just to steer up trouble to better my English, in a literal sense. My backroom is now a library with 300 books and my intentsified studies.
Steve: Your written presence is becoming more powerful in your old age. It seems that you are getting a better handle on emotions. :-) Not to mention the English language.
Paul and Victor are continuously on each other's case - in who is better in serak.
Steve: Well, this IS an election year; so maybe they can put aside their brotherly bickering and act like a Family for a change.
And for sure, according to them: " Willem knows nothing". Hard to get mad at brothers.
Steve: You'd think they would tire of that bullshit by now; but their opinion doesn't really matter anyway . . . at least not to anyone that matters. :-)
August of this year, is our gathering, and Keith tries to bring all four brothers in. I guess, I appoint myself to keep the brothers apart and let you open up the ceremony with a good prayer.
Steve: That would be an honour!
Anyway Steve, don't like to keep you to much off your other social duties and, wonder if you have a phone number I can reach you?
Steve: There are no phones in my part of the world Willem. Next time I go to the larger village I'll try to catch you on the phone; but don't hold your breath. . . I don't do that any more than I absolutely have to.
With a silent prayer and my, many thanks, always your brother Willem
Steve: My prayers join with yours Brother. May peace, prosperity and security be your silent friends.
Steve: In YHVH's Love, Steve
Original Message: > ----------------- From: Willem DeThouars willemdethouars@gmail.com Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:01:57 -0600 To: sigung@kuntaosilat.com Subject: Re: Aloha in spirit.
Thank you brother and will communicate more often, in the near or distance future. Please, I am curious, since when was you released from imprisonment? Glad you are out and indeed, fought many spiritual battles you had to overcome. Funny thing, the silat tv, met many overseas friends - and also old friends, I had not seen since the 1950's - when I left Indonesia. Will be going after Scandinavia, in September of this year also (make) a trip to the Philippines. Many who hates me or many how likes me, keep on reading my hate mail, something I learn from Howard Cossel. Just to steer up trouble to better my English, in a literal sense. My backroom is now a library with 300 books and my intentsified studies. Paul and Victor are continuously on each other's case - in who is better in serak. And for sure, according to them: " Willem knows nothing". Hard to get mad at brothers. August of this year, is our gathering, and Keith tries to bring all four brothers in. I guess, I appoint myself to keep the brothers apart and let you open up the ceremony with a good prayer. Anyway Steve, don't like to keep you to much off your other social duties and, wonder if you have a phone number I can reach you? With a silent prayer and my, many thanks, always your brother Willem
On 6/2/12, Steve Gartin <sigung@kuntaosilat.com> wrote: I'm pleased that you dropped me a line in a more personal venue Willem. It is good to be in communication with you again.
Original Message: ----------------- From: Willem DeThouars willemdethouars@gmail.com Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:07:38 -0600 To: sigung@kuntaosilat.com Subject: Aloha in spirit.
Dear brother, was great able to communicate with you, and relating my reminscince, always the best times - we had and never the bad times. Good times and bad times are a surpluss in the lives of an individual, they come and go. Like wars are, today an enemy tomorrow an ally. Patton actually wanted to use the German army, (in charge von Manstein) - to fight the Russians. He was fired by Ike.
We have had some great times; hard or easy is irrelevant ~ life is like that!
I just needed some attention, in not knowing where you are, and my reason for pissing you off. I knew was never a right way, was concern about you - regardless the circumstances.
Steve: Well, I haven't been in contact with the outside world much for the last four years. I didn't mean any offense to you, and I agree that I should have at least dropped you a note. I'll do better in the future.
We shall always be brothers.
Right now, have a very sensitive issue with my brothers - Victor wants to kill Paul, and Paul wants to kill Victor. We both, as believers in the spirit of the universe need to pray for them.
Steve: I'll add my prayers to yours Brother. As crazy as those two are, I love them dearly and always think happy thoughts in their direction.
I have used the silat tv to learn from great writers, not when they feel good, but when they are mad. In between the lines is a great resource. People just don't know me, that well, as you do and will do less visits on silat tv.
Steve: Ha ha, they have missed much; but as you have always said, "a learned gentleman conceals his skill. . ."
My objective had been reached and I wrote a couple of good books - a refreshed addition from the old diaries. goingto be publisdhed soon in paperbag. Will sent you a copy, soon as I received a few.
Steve: I'll drop a letter in the mail sometime soon and give you an address.
My backroom where I had challenged those city slaggers, is now my study room and research centre, Belief me brother I am a very peaceful man with a lots of caring toward peace.
Steve: Peace comes through power to choose, the weak have no choice in the matter.
I am half Jew and with a huge French historical background dating back since the 12th century A.D.
Steve: Yes, I have studied the de Thouars Family lineage. It is indeed colourful!
Trust me I am in much better shape, than I ever was before. Hoping you will come down the city and take me out for coffee and lunch. I am nearing my 80's brother, and 76 now - and still a trouble maker. Always in spirit and care, your brother Willem.
Steve: I'm pleased to hear that your health is improving as the years go by. It is a joy for me as well, in my mid-60's to be able to make the natives pant when trying to keep up with me. :-)
Steve: Keep happy thoughts and know that you are in my thoughts and prayers!
In YHVH's Name, Steve |
God
Bless America!